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Want to take your .45acp revolver out for a couple of rounds but do not want to bust yout thumbs with a moon clip try these .45 auto rim rounds. I read of them several times and finally found them here. I grab a handful, went to the local clubs combat match and used them for the first stage. It was a stage of 2 + 1 with 8 ending in the center and 4 up top. The 8 in the center were grouped in about an inch, the 4 up top were just over a dime - all intersecting. The recoil was the same a standard 230 FMJ .45acp. I liked the ease of using the auto rim. I also discivered there are speed loaders for this round.